Editing Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal

Use this discussion page to talk about any issues or ideas you have about the direction of this wiki. The community portal is a hub for directing our conciousness. Read the rules carefully, take them to heart, post here if you have any questions or you think the rules can be improved.
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== Is this the page to discuss ? ==
can not edit the centralized discussion page.
Can a dog see globin thieves through glass ? <small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Raven|Raven]]</small>
:I'd post that at [[Talk:Goblin]], or maybe [[Talk:Thief]] &mdash; this page is intended for more wiki-related discussions. The Centralized discussion page seems to have been  protected due to vandalism in the past, but it might be safe to unprotect now (I'll look into it). <br> Anyway, from what I remember, most animals only spot goblins in adjacent tiles &mdash; placing glass between the dog and the goblin would increase the distance to at least two tiles, where most animals wouldn't be able to spot the goblin (which I agree is unfortunate :( ). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:56, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

== Thoughts on {{rule|i}} - Diagrams ==
Isn't [[Template:RT]] really more complexity than we need? How about this?

<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
╔═══╗
║+++║
║+++┼
║+++║
╚═══╝
</pre>{{-}}

Save the complex templates for when you actually need color

You can even drop the complexity further for a nice typewriter character set
<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
#####
#...#
#...+
#...#
#####
</pre>{{-}}

(I picked this particular size because it makes <span style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New'">░░░▒▒▒▓▓▓</span> look right in them, which makes it seem that it's the size the font is designed for. I picked this _font_ because it provides all of the CP437 characters. The actual style tag you see above could be moved to a template so it would look like <code>&lt;pre <nowiki>{{TD}}</nowiki>></code>)

[[User:Random832|Random832]] 20:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)

== Mod content in regular articles ==

"All mod content, it has been stated, should not appear in the regular articles." --[[User:Zchris13]], at [[Talk:Sand]]<br>
If I recall correctly, one guy stated that yesterday. Personally, I find it rather counter-DF:<br>
"In Dwarf Fortress, modding almost ''is'' vanilla." --[[User:Savok]], at the [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php forums]<br>
Opinions? Beliefs? Comments? Thoughts? Please, answer this, The Community! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:I'm probably the one who you're thinking of who stated it ;)
:#I don't think that modding is ''ever'' vanilla, no matter what the game, how mod-friendly the game is, or how many mods exist.  Saying that it's incredibly common does not change the definition of the term "unmodded".
:#I think that modding information would be better served by putting it in one place.  It's easier to figure out modding and/or find the information you need if it's all on one page (or a small number of pages).  And if the information is there, why would you ''also'' put it on ''every single other article in the wiki''?
:#Whenever the ways something can be modded changes, every single article about that something would have to be changed.  If a new way to mod metals, for example, was added, then every single metal article would have to be changed to reflect this.
:#tl;dr version: I think it would be horrifically redundant even by typical wiki standards and would never be maintained anyways (seriously, there are still pages that haven't been updated since the 2D version).  And that's even before you think about whether it ''should'' be done at all.
:--[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:10, 8 March 2009 (EDT)<!-- reformatted by Savok to use a numbered list instead of a manually created numbered list. This note may be removed by Legacy now or by anyone after a few months-->

::Sorry, couldn't find it in all of yesterday's edits.
::#Yeah, I shouldn't go changing my definitions of words. What I mean is "modding is normal."
::#I agree partially, but, since light modding is normal and mainstream, it should go in normal and mainstream articles.
::#No, every article that mentioned metal-modding. And I don't think that there are too many non-modding articles that do.
::#TL/DR: I think that a little mentioning of modding (for example, stating in [[Sand]] that you can mod any soil into sand (although that's a bit obvious)) is fine, although I fully agree that all possible topic-related modding should not be mentioned.
::--[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I think I can live with that ;).  Also, I appreciate the reformatting: I couldn't find the instructions on how to make such a list, though odds are it's right in front of me =( --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 19:41, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

== Heading gripe ==

I'd like to add to H that one shouldn't use heading sections of one = because it results in bad html coding and a title the size of the page name. It's also general practice on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections wikipedia]. Anyways, I thought I'd post something here before I go ahead and change it so I can at least pretend to have discussed it before hand. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 05:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Modding content ==
Is this, [[New_Plants]], really how we do it? Frankly, i found it a bit confusing at first. At least it should get a better header. --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 00:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== JavaScript seems disabled ==

The collapsible box doesn't seems collapsible anymore. I don't see the [show]/[hide] anymore either, since the wiki broke. Am I the only one with this trouble ? --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 01:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:Apparently it's fixed now, at least for me. I have found that my browser cache can screw with these things on other wikis so no reason why it wouldn't happen here. Javascript becomes disabled on client web browsers far more often than it does on web hosts/sites which previously allowed it. (Possibly belatedly I know.)<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Do we detail pointlessly? ==

As everyone knows, the wiki spoils everything about Dwarf Fortress. We have a spoiler-warning system, but it's quite disused. I think one guy said that it's pointless, because we need to put it on every page, because every page is a spoiler. We have a tendency to detail everything, much of which isn't helpful to newbies but ruins a little the delight a newbie can take in DF that no longer exists for us veterans.

For example, to quote the page [[woodcutter]], "Woodcutters are working outdoors where they are in constant danger of being [[ambush]]ed by invaders or attacked by wild animals (unless, of course, you are the proud owner of an [[Tower-cap#Underground_tree_farm|underground tree farm]]), but they are also one of the few civilian professions which carry [[weapons]] with them. Thus, it can be helpful to teach them how to use their axes to defend themselves (and others) properly by making them spend a few months as [[axedwarf]]s in your [[military]]."

Here, all that really should be noted is that woodcutting skill does not help in combat. Yes, another problem with the wiki as it is is that we often assume that newbies know a lot of stuff they don't, making even DFwiki have a steep learning curve - a bit ironic. Regardless, pointless detail such as in the above article not only does not help but hurts, making the wiki dry and boring.

I propose that we write into our little [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal|constitution]] a guideline to avoid such detail in addition to removing large amounts from the wiki, fixing the pages. Of course, this is a major undertaking, not to just be done. What do y'all think? Agree? Argue? Please do comment. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Wikis attract wikignomes who like to tinker and add information to articles until they are "complete". Attempting to define how much information can be added before an article is "over-complete" is pretty difficult.
:Is there a policy that this wiki must not spoil the game for new players?
:There are a lot of different reasons people read this wiki - it isn't just a hosted version of the wonderful instruction manual that is included with the game. Would [[computing]] be possible without collaboration (between players), which is nothing but spoiling?
:The answers would lie in either seperate articles, or some kind of template which hides information regarded as a spoiler. 
:There is this option:
{| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Basic intrduction
|-
|Woodcutters cut down trees.
|-
|}
{| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Minor spoiler
|-
| They are one of a few civilian trades which involves carrying a weapon. In hostile areas you might want to consider training woodcutters as Axedwarves.
|-
{| class="collapsible" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Major spoiler
|-
|Another option on some maps is establishing an underground tree farm.
|-
|}

:However that requires some knowledge of either wikimarkup or html - tbh I just cookbooked it and it took me a fair bit of messing around before I got it right the first time.
:Another option is, linked articles, where you go from '''Woodcutter (base)''' to '''Woodcutter (minor spoiler)''' to '''Woodcutter (major spoiler)''' - it would be easy enough to include (base) in (minor spoiler) and (minor spoiler) in (major spoiler).

:I think "enough" readers ''want'' the major spoilers that taking them out would "degrade" this wiki.
:<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

::I just re-read [[woodcutter]] in full. IMO the article builds nicely from the basic "how to cut trees" to more advanced gameplay strategy, such as "enable woodcutting on every outdoor worker so they all carry weapons". Personally I don't see that as being a good value strategy, for the work involved in equipping that many dwarves with axes you could have a fairly useful (specialised) millitary - but it isn't the first thing a spoiler-adverse reader stumbles over. If it was the first thing in the article it would be a far greater problem.<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:I'm going to agree with Garrie on this. Counting me, there's at least one person who would not have stuck with DF if he hadn't had access to a thorough DF reference library such as this. When a new player comes to this wiki, odds are they're looking to have ''something'' spoiled.
:One vote for 'Not Too Spoiled' --[[User:Njero|Njero]] 03:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry to have apparently been totally unclear... I don't want to take spoilers out! I think that there are a lot of things, like the example from woodcutter, that a player can figure out on his <s>on</s>own, which can be a lot more fun than being told all the fine details of fortress 1337. I do think it would be good to separate the spoilers more in some cases, but that's a totally different topic.
:For another example, I think we can agree that it is pointless to have a page telling how to dig a 1-tile channel pit and designate it as a Quantum Dump, given that you know how a Quantum Dump works. We used to have (still have? not sure) one of those. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 03:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


::I think your quantum dump page has been reincarnated at [[dwarven physics]]?
::OK I think I see these points: 
::# there is no clear guideline how much spoiling "is alowed"
::# there is no clear guideline on how specific an article can get (scope vs depth)
::# there is no clear guideline on when a "spoiler alert" should be given.
::I think that guidelines are good, in general. The rules are a bit flexible as most of us expect given this is a game-wiki not an encyclopedia. I know you do a lot more admin-editing than anyone else put together so you (Savok) probably have a better 1,000 ft view of the size of this problem than everyone else. Having said that... I would err greatly on allowing pages which are "game-world correct" to remain, allowing pages which don't have (dreadful) spoilers in the lead section to not have "ugly" spoiler warnings, and if we can have articles on [[computing]] and [[Glowing pit]] then pretty much there is no aspect of the game which is off-limits to being exposed by spoilers.
::I'm also agreeing with Njero, that if I hadn't found this wiki as quickly as I did, with detailed (and spoilerific) content of things from "how to dig" to "how to fight" and "what's hard to fight"... I would probably have deleted the game within 2 days of downloading it. Some of us don't find the forum that helpful!<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 05:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::+1 what GI said. I read the wiki before starting - I, personally, hate the whole "trial and errour" thing from scratch, especially in a game where the wrong little mistake can mean GAME OVER.  I'm average-bright, and I still found that a lot of the "detail" was lost on me, at least until I had experienced it (or nearly so.)  HFS? Still haven't breached one yet (slow computer, and in no rush) - so I can parrot a lot about that, but really have no personal feel for it and still look forward to that experience (even if now I won't walk in blind to that particular practical joke).  If I'd wanted a surprise, I'd have not read those articles (and would be someone else).  

:::That said, I '''''do''''' find that many mid-experience and advanced articles do repeat basic concepts too much - the "how to dig a channel" for a quantum dump example, above. And over-link, etc.  However, if a newb were to stumble on that page, altho' they aren't ready for the advanced stuff, they may wonder what the basic stuff is - and follow those links.  So... I don't think it's over-detailed for anyone except those who know the game (i.e. "us").  For the newb, stumbling about on the wiki, they either ''want'' to read about it, or ''need'' to, or both.  Less detail is fewer links, and less overall usefulness to the (self-filtering) target audience.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:We do not detail pointlessly. More spoiler warnings? Why not. The collapsibles might be a nice solution in many places. But no limits to the completeness of the wiki please. It's hard to figure out quite a bit of the more complex, and interesting, stuff like machinery on your own and quite a bit is counterintuitive too, like how levers work. It may be really neat if you think up using channels as moats yourself, but it still took me several tries to get a nice and working setup. Oh and bridges.. I still made so many mistakes ''after'' reading up on things. And as far as strategy goes, I have my own opinion on quite a few things said in the wiki, as do others, and often it's just those views that are put in the articles. Like I think its's fine to have your woodcutter ''not'' trained because an axe as such is a fine defense already. And knowing that, on some maps, with some effort, you can have an UG tree farm improves the fun (no, not [[fun]], '''fun'''). It's still hard and rewarding to actually ''do'' it.

:Information may be a bit (over-!)redundant here and there, yes, but I am confident this will clear out on itself by and by when articles are better organized to be read "in a row". Lastly, what we write here, especially the strategy bits, will be found just as readily in the forums.  --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 19:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

 "Woodcutters are working outdoors where they are in constant danger of being ambushed by invaders or attacked by wild animals"

You want to delete that? Savok, You are a cruel man.

 "(unless, of course, you are the proud owner of an underground tree farm),"

I'd really like to know how the first player figured tower caps out on his own. Mayor kudos to him, if, but i rather suspect toady dropped a hint. So do we.

 "but they are also one of the few civilian professions which carry weapons with them."

Well, it should be obvious that the axe still works as weapon, too...hm...but it isn't. So we say it.

 Thus, it can be helpful to teach them how to use their axes to defend themselves (and others)<br> properly by making them spend a few months as axedwarfs in your military."

Okay this part could be reworded like you suggest: Woodcutting does not improve goblincutting. But wouldn't the information be the same? --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 21:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I know I'm a little late to this discussion; but as an honest to goodness newbie I've found the wiki invaluable as is.  I've been playing DF for probably 3 weeks now.  I attempted to dive right in and just play without reading the wiki or anything, just the actual in-game help.  What a mistake that was!  I couldn't even figure out how to turn down the volume on the in game music at first!  (partly because on a lap top without a num-pad the numbers for up-down selection were less then intuitive).  So far I've found most articles have just about the right amount of depth; although some could use some clarification).  With the help of the wiki I discovered how many mistakes I really made on my first embark and how lucky I am to still have that fort nearly 7 dwarf years later.  I almost had a lot of [[fun]] with lava; but a quick trip to the wiki made me realize all I needed was a constructed wall or door.  That really saved my bacon.  --[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] 05:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== A for Anonymity? ==

On at least [[Talk:Fortress_defense#Use_of_User_Names_in_Defense_Designs|one page]], the concept of "non-ownership" of wiki contributions has been agreed upon, that designs should not have User's names attached, and phrases like ''"I like to..."'' be changed to ''"Some users like to..."'' .  Currently, the letter "[[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#A|A"]] is for "Alphabet" - hardly enlightening.  I wouldn't mind seeing this slot used for a more formalized policy in this direction, to avoid repeating [[Talk:Bedroom_design#Personalisation?|this discussion]]. (Or is the alphabet thing now sacrosanct as is?)<br />
The applications of such "catch-all" pages are endless, especially as mod's become more and more prevalent both in-game and on this site.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Eh. For some things, we obviously want to give credit - [[tilesets]], for example. Personally, I would say that [[:File:Housing by Marble Dice.png|this bedroom design]] probably should be credited to Marble Dice. I don't think a policy that putting data here automatically makes ownership of it go to the wiki (and the wiki will make it anonymous) is a very useful one... --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::Not so much ownership - ''certainly'' not a release of rights to intellectual property in ''any'' legal sense - but more a de-emphasis of personal credit over contribution for contribution's sake.  My name would be all over these pages, as would many others' - that would get old fast, and (possibly) encourage competition and possessiveness, rather than collaboration and contribution. But, as you say... eh.  Just thought I'd ask.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:The thing that strikes me here is, it looks to me as though some of the designs (the fractals etc) have not been put here by the person who designed them. They were designed, discussed on a forum, then someone else thought they looked good and put them here.
:Even if that isn't right - the rest of the [[bedroom]] article reads as though that is how it happened. Until you get to the final entry - which in the original form looked very "owned".
:If you want to own something put it in user space. If you put it in article space expect it to get edited.
:I think that is the rule that needs to exist "somewhere", by nature wiki contributions aren't anonymous. <font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 00:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Category titles (capitalization) ==

Reviving [http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/archive1#Category_tags this] section from the archive, you'll see that our [[Special:Categories|categories]] page (also, Category:Templates) has so many capitalization inconsistencies it'll make your head spin.  I propose Category:Formatting Templates as preferable to Category:Formatting templates though the existence of both shows that this needs to be addressed.<BR>
Also, how do you wikilink to those catagory pages?  Is it possible?--[[User:Rowenlemmings|Rowenlemmings]] 21:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:First I agree there should be a rule for naming categories, and as per "the" wiki, it should be "first letter of first word only capitalised unless there's a really good reason" (eg: <nowiki>[[Category:Toady One]]</nowiki> where the name of the category is a proper noun / "real name" ).
:<s>Secondly - Categories are "just" normal article pages with some magic behind them, link to them the same as any article. </s> oops I'm wrong let me check that.
:<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::To link to a category page put a colon ''':'''in front of the word Category in the <nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki> eg <nowiki>[[:Category:Wiki]]</nowiki> -> [[:Category:Wiki]]<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah hah, mystery solved.--[[User:Rowenlemmings|''Rowen'']]<sup>[[User Talk:Rowenlemmings|(talk)]]</sup> 02:00, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

::While this is all well and good for new categories, renaming existing categories is much more difficult than renaming pages. With a page we can simply redirect, but to rename a category we need to go through each page in it and change the tag. This is a lot of work for relatively little gain. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Is there anyone around that can "borrow" a bot from "the other wiki" to do this kind of stuff? From my understanding a bot that
:::#scrapes '''Bad Category Name''' for the list of articles
:::#scrapes '''Bad Category Name''' for any actual content
:::#loads each article in turn
::::#searches for '''Bad Category Name'''
::::#replaces '''Bad Category Name''' with '''Good Category Name'''
::::#saves the article
:::#Writes the content from '''Bad Category Name''' to '''Good Category Name'''
:::is relatively straight forward (as bots go).
:::I don't know anything about actually using bots but I know what they can do.
:::How big is this wiki without the media part anyway? I thought the other thing about wikis is it is "relatively easy" to d/l the whole thing as a flat file, make this kind of edit with a text editor, and write it back up. After checking to see if anyone has edited any of the pages of course ;) <font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 13:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

==Bottom or Top==
Not a big thing, but it seems we should have a rule whether new edits/sections in any non-article space should go at top or bottom of the page. Might also be added to the newbie welcome template. --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 21:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:Dunno if a rule is needed, most ppl quickly work out that the default action of the "+" magic button is to add a new section <b>at the bottom of the page</b> so this is how you "should" do it manually.<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

== Proposal: [[:Category:Best of DF Wiki]] ==

[[User:BaronW|BaronW's dwarven calculator]] blew my mind and made me crave some way of recognizing and celebrating it. I propose the creation of a wiki category that would consist entirely of abnormally excellent material to wow the reader and shock the house. This category would be managed by way of nomination and [[:Category talk:Best of DF Wiki|discussion]] rather than ad hoc addition, and a link to it would be added to the [[Main Page]] to encourage newbies to visit and marvel (I guess under "Wiki articles by category"). Think of it as a collective favorites list.

My nominations for initial inclusion:
* [[User:BaronW|BaronW]]'s calculator, of course
* [[:File:DF_Cheese.jpg]]
* [[:File:SquirrSurvCathedralAir1.PNG]]
* [[User:Vattic/Orcsicle maker Explained|Vattic/Orcsicle maker Explained]]
* [[Morul]]


# Feedback on the general concept?
# Comments on these nominations?
# Your own nominations?
--[[User:HebaruSan|HebaruSan]] 02:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Not sure where to put this ==
Does anyone else share my feeling the contributions of [[User:Raneman]] ([[Special:Contributions/Raneman]]) are, um, somewhere between odd, not getting the wiki and plain offensive? --[[Special:Contributions/92.202.17.169|92.202.17.169]] 14:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

== Best God EVER! ==

I opened up an old copy of the *.040.* DF (with a popular mod package - inobtanium, molybdenum, a billion kinds of XXXmen, if it matters), named a Town Clerk, and noticed something odd about his personal life.  In bright cyan, it says, ''"She is a worshipper of Liceva Wildspew the Piss of Seducers."''  '''Honest.''' (Liceva Theyisethawasa, with an umlaut y)  Now what she does in her personal life isn't the town's business, but it seemed funny enough for gossip. ;)

I mention this here because I didn't quickly find a page explaining what the worship is all about, or whether it actually matters for game play.  Though maybe I'll figure it out when she acquires a lover. ;) [[User:Dorf and Dumb|Dorf and Dumb]] 00:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

== Use of Redirect to Temporarily Point to 40d Pages? ==

I'm new here, but I've noticed that there are still some relevant topics that do no yet have DF2010 pages, yet do have pages for older versions. Would it be appropriate to temporarily have some sort of redirect page to point to the related 40d page (with a warning about it likely containing outdated information)? That is, until an updated 2010 page is created? -- [[User:Thundercraft|Thundercraft]] 23:21, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Add entity raws to civilized creature pages ==

We already have the creature raws on each page. Why not add the entity raws for the applicable creatures, namely <s>Dwarfs</s> <s>Dwarves</s> [http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/articles/d/dwarves/dwarfpluralof.htm Dwarrows], Elves, Humans, Goblins, Kobolds. All animal people civs use the same raws, so for them it may be better to create a seperate [[Animal Peoples]] page. [[User:Monkeyfetus|Monkeyfetus]] 21:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

== Wikis in other languages  ==

Who should I ask about adding another Dwarf Fortress wiki (written in other language)?

Thank you in advance.
--[[User:Marzecki|Marzecki]] ([[User talk:Marzecki|talk]]) 02:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
:As long as you have a site for it, it's fairly easy. I don't know if it's possible to host other-language wikis on this site, but they can easily be linked to from here when they're online ([[User:Briess]] can add an entry for it). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

: Thank you for your response. --[[User:Marzecki|Marzecki]] ([[User talk:Marzecki|talk]]) 14:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Lies and jumping thru hoops! ==

Yes, I'm angry. 

Just wasted 30 minutes I could have spent playing, trying to first fix a minor page error, that I could have fixed on most other wikis in seconds, and then spent the rest of the time trying to find some way to contact a human being on this wiki. The lie, was in stating on the create account page, that giving an email was optional, but then not allowing me to actually DO anything here because I haven't validated something that was supposed to be optional in the first place. If the addy is required, then don't tell people its optional. I have no issue with using my addy, just with the lie. I did in fact give my addy, but haven't gotten around to validating it yet.

For the record, the page I was trying to fix is http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Masterwork:Temple_of_Armok. on that page, it refers to a Guardian of Armok twice, and both have red links to pages that do not exist. A Google search revealed the page DOES exist here, though it has a minor typing error in the name. The name of the page is "Guardian of armok". It SHOULD be "Guardian of Armok", with the god's name capitalized. The red links point to the correct place, its the page that is in the wrong place, because of a typo.

Also, for whatever  its worth, I am a retired political activist, that ran a website that included, among a lot of other features, a sizable wiki. And--of course--I am a DF player. That means three things, first,, I talk a lot, second, I know my way around wikis, tho I am far from an expert on them, and third, I know a fair bit about DF and the Masterwork mod. Given those three things, I could be a help here, if this post doesn't get me banned. On the other hand, the way I feel right now after all the guff I just went thru, I will not be the least bit surprized or upset if I do get banned. I would just spend my the time I might have spent on this wike actually playing the game instead.

Rick R

== Mobile web mode ==

I realize few of the wiki users consult this wiki in mobile phones, but I, for one, am one. Either way,  I'm here to humbly suggest to anyone responsible to this wiki to try and improve the mobile experience of this web. I know its not a fair comparison, but if you access the wikipedia with your cell phone and then access this wiki, you will see what I'm talking about. I know it's a minor thing, but for me is really the only thing here that annoys me a little.

:Agreed. We could use the same extension WMF wikis use (I think it's MobileFrontend). I'll see if I can get it working when I get a chance. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
:Not sure if it'll work on this wiki, since the extension only officially supports Mediawiki 1.22, which we don't use yet. If not, I might be able to pull together some custom CSS for mobile devices. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:49, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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 :Agreed. We could use the same extension WMF wikis use (I think it's MobileFrontend). I'll see if I can get it working when I get a chance. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 :Not sure if it'll work on this wiki, since the extension only officially supports Mediawiki 1.22, which we don't use yet. If not, I might be able to pull together some custom CSS for mobile devices. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:49, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
-== Rule I - Tilesets ==
-Back [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/archive1#I when this was first discussed],  a number of users seemed to be in favor of allowing all screenshots that clearly represented the subject matter, not just those using the default tilesets. Unfortunately, that suggestion seems to have been lost in the shuffle, and today we still insist that "screenshots should use the default tilesets for clarity". I think that when users volunteer their time to upload screenshots we should thank them for their effort, not slap on a giant noticebox chastising them for using the wrong tileset. Practically speaking, no one is going to go to the trouble of recreating a detailed screenshot using a different tileset, so the noticeboxes just sit around indefinitely, cluttering up images without improving anything. I would like to see the "default tileset" stipulation dropped entirely from Rule I. Thoughts?--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
-:Changed.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
-== Direct links from search don't save version setting ==
-If you search for the exact page title, you always get taken to the DF2014 namespace, regardless of what version you're currently viewing and the exact result doesn't even show up in the search result (making it seem like there's no results, unless you actually hit the search button). However, if you search for a redirected page name, it retains the correct version and also shows up in the results.
-A -3 [[thought]] for people that aren't using the latest version yet. [[Special:Contributions/137.147.3.135|137.147.3.135]] 12:50, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
-:The search has ''never'' defaulted to the current namespace - redirects from the main namespace are supposed to go to the current version's namespace ({{DF:Current}}). Any that go to v0.34 pages are incorrect. Suggestions not showing up is a separate issue, which I'll look into fixing. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
-::What it has or hasn't done previously doesn't matter, what I'm saying is the current functionality is annoying if you're not using the latest version. If links on the page all stay in the same namespace, searches from the page should too. Redirects already do this, which makes me purposely try to use a redirected search term instead of a direct one so I get to the page I actually want straight away. [[Special:Contributions/137.147.3.135|137.147.3.135]] 10:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
-::Actually it seems redirects always take me to the v0.34 namespace ([[dorm]], for instance), it just happens that it was the one I was using, so it seemed like it was retaining the setting. [[Special:Contributions/137.147.3.135|137.147.3.135]] 10:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
-:::That's a cache problem - they ''should'' redirect to the DF2014 namespace. I'll see what I can do about allowing the default namespace to be changed, at least from the search - the easiest way to solve this would be to include results from versioned namespaces in the search results, if Mediawiki supports this. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:28, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
-== Priority update ==
-I have had difficulty figuring out how the new priority system works, and part of that is that the wiki doesn't appear to have any information on it. I'd like to propose the creation of [[DF2014:Priority]] (or any more appropriately-titled page), or perhaps rework the pages on designations and other priority-related topics to include an explanation.
-It should especially be mentioned that "1" is the highest priority for designations. I had been playing under the assumption that "7" was, and my dwarves were never getting anything done that I marked as important.
-[[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 17:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
-:I'd say that should be added to the [[designation]] page, since that numeric priority system only applies to designations. That page currently points to [[Designations menu]], but feel free to change that. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)