Editing Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion/Template for DFHack

Given how central DFHack has become to the user experience of many users, and the frequency at which hacks/exploits/bugfixes involving it pop up in the wiki, I think there should be a special template for content involving DFHack, '''in adddition''' to the one used for mods. This way, new players can make the distinction between "I have to edit a few files to do this" and "I have to download a third party program and run scripts to do this". One is much less daunting than the others, and the players are better informed. [[User:Severedicks|Severedicks]] ([[User talk:Severedicks|talk]]) 11:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

:With the prevalence of the [[LNP]], I imagine most new players find simple DFHack tweaks *easier* than editing the raws--removing [[aquifer]]s is a prime example (though the LNP makes it easier still with a simple checkbox in the launcher). The {{tl|mod}} template exists primarily to differentiate non-standard content; since most references to DFHack are short and directly linked to the [[DFHack]] article, I'm not convinced that an additional template would be helpful. Can you cite a few pages that you feel would benefit from such a template?--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 17:40, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

::Any page that features a bug or feature omission where DFHack can prove critical:

::*The [[Faction#Loyalty_cascade|loyalty cascade]] page includes a mod template for dfhack content
::*The [[Animal caretaker]] page (using dfhack enables healthcare on animals)
::*[[Dwarf_cancels_Construct_Building:_Item_blocking_site]]
::*[[Extinction]] (repopulation only possible with dfhack)
::*[[Labor]] (though a bit of explanation is in order)
::*[[Meat industry]] ("DFHack: the content in this section requires the use of DFHack")
::*[[Maximizing framerate]] (Whole section only for dfhack, in fact many player solely use it for fps issues)
::*[[Workshop]] (for "workflow" stuff)
::*[[Butcher#Butchering sapients|Butchering sapients]]
::*[[Ghost#Playing as a ghost|Playing as a ghost]] (again, a "mod" template for dfhack stuff)

::Also, I don't think linking to the DFHack wiki page is very helpful. The DFHack article is a bit lackluster, probably because all the work went into the readthedocs website. Ideally there would be some kind of linking template whereby referencing, say, dwarfvet automatically links to the rtd page and paragraph (or even better: a way to build the documentation on the wiki), but that's probably too much to ask. A simple banner for DFHack stuff will be enough, I believe. [[User:Severedicks|Severedicks]] ([[User talk:Severedicks|talk]]) 19:55, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
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	::Also, I don't think linking to the DFHack wiki page is very helpful. The DFHack article is a bit lackluster, probably because all the work went into the readthedocs website. Ideally there would be some kind of linking template whereby referencing, say, dwarfvet automatically links to the rtd page and paragraph (or even better: a way to build the documentation on the wiki), but that's probably too much to ask. A simple banner for DFHack stuff will be enough, I believe. [[User:Severedicks\|Severedicks]] ([[User talk:Severedicks\|talk]]) 19:55, 27 January 2019 (UTC)		::Also, I don't think linking to the DFHack wiki page is very helpful. The DFHack article is a bit lackluster, probably because all the work went into the readthedocs website. Ideally there would be some kind of linking template whereby referencing, say, dwarfvet automatically links to the rtd page and paragraph (or even better: a way to build the documentation on the wiki), but that's probably too much to ask. A simple banner for DFHack stuff will be enough, I believe. [[User:Severedicks\|Severedicks]] ([[User talk:Severedicks\|talk]]) 19:55, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
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−	:::[[Faction#Loyalty_cascade\|Your first example]] is exactly the type of situation that I was afraid of--you've got a template box and a section heading dedicated to a single sentence which already states that DFHack is required and links to the DFHack article just in case someone doesn't understand what DFHack is. What additional information could your DFHack template provide that would justify bloating a single sentence to 5x the size? I will grant that a DFHack notice template wouldn't seem unreasonable on a few of your examples where there is already a large section of DFHack-specific information (e.g. [[extinction]] and [[meat industry]]), but I really don't want to see every sentence on the wiki that mentions DFHack separated into its own section heading and accented by a template notice box.--[[User:Loci\|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci\|talk]]) 00:07, 3 February 2019 (UTC)