Editing Talk:Elf

== "Elf Racism" edits ==

Is there an official Kitfox policy on how Elves should be represented, as suggested in the patch notes? If so, where is it accessible? As a long-time reader the "D for Dwarf" sections and humour really help this wiki, and the game's community in general, stand out. --{{Unsigned|87.198.240.206‎}}

: it's pinned in the kitfox discord [#df-discussion] but i'll ask if it can be made more public. [[User:Su|Su]] ([[User talk:Su|talk]]) 14:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

: All I see is a comment on what's allowed/not allowed in their Discord Server? What all are the terms of the recent Kitfox Sponsorship? Is this wiki still community run or was it actually aquired by Kitfox? Obviously racism that's even remotely mappable to real life is unnacceptable, but DF does run into the fantasy problem of "Inherently Evil" races, and the videogame problem of races=factions. Considering DF is already Medieval Warcrime Simulator, I think maybe a policy of rephrasing existing wiki content rather than removal might result in a better balance of content. Like, calling them cannibal hippies is just accurate, while calling them suck-up jerks or cowards might be going a bit far? More nuanced discussion of specific edits needed. --{{Unsigned|87.198.240.206‎}}

:: There are no problems with inherently evil races and racial factions.

: Side comment: I am unfamiliar with the 'Kitfox policy' either. If it is applicable here, it might be best to reference it in an appropriate place (Community Portal? just don't take the K rule please (even thought the game is not using 100% keyboard input anymore) to avoid unnecessary edit warring. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 14:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Per Emi and Locriani, Kitfox does not control policy on this wiki ([http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180564.0]). The Discord policy is separate. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 16:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
:Additionally, the only pinned post on Discord that I was able to find reads:
::Yeah, the rampant elf racism masks very real racism way too often for us to allow it here when there's so many people to deal with.
:which I don't think applies to the wiki in either way (our editor traffic is not nearly so high or problematic). &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

::Per @Lethosor, the admin, discord policies doesn't apply here. If there any further issue with content (I am also not a fan of such [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Elf&curid=31262&diff=278603&oldid=276818 edits]) I encourage you to resolve these here on talk avoiding edit warring and [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AElf&type=revision&diff=278604&oldid=276058 counterproductive practices]. Also please sign your comments with <code><nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki></code> at the end. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 09:09, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

There did seem to be a number of people who agreed with [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Elf&curid=31262&diff=278603&oldid=276818]. On the other hand, I don't want the article to gain too many new jokes ([https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Elf&diff=278763&oldid=278603]) so I have limited editing to only autoconfirmed users for now. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

I've made edits recently adjacent to this topic: I cleaned up the article while keeping the classic tolkien-esk spirit of dwarven hatred towards elves that previous editors established and mostly contained it to the last section. All edits to the jokes are based on being more relevant to in game information about elves and the world: as previous versions had random baseless insults (smelly and "hippie" for example) I also removed a redundant section seemingly made only to glorify elven genocide based on an old version of the game. I saw many edits to do for usability and did some that relevant to this topic in a sweep of the article. I expect there are still issues but I think I made objective improvements to the article overall. --[[User:Yallendallis|Yallendallis]] ([[User talk:Yallendallis|talk]]) 04:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

== Trade  ==

FYI there is a lot of info concerning Trade at [[Trading#Elven]]. Not sure what should go where or how reliable the info in either location for v50. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 22:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Under [[Elf#Trading]] -> "They will generally accept:" Elves are incorrectly listed as accepting leather. They reject items made of leather in v50.04 and IIRC also tanned hides. This behavior is correct at present on [[Trading#Elven]] per Jan's comment. --[[Special:Contributions/65.131.81.105|65.131.81.105]] 23:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Done. [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 23:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

== Genderless Attribute ==

I'm a bit confused as to why the "genderless" attribute has been added to the elf page. This attribute denotes creatures without male and female castes declared in the raws, which elves still have. --[[User:Galach|Galach]] ([[User talk:Galach|talk]]) 06:55, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

: The raw files haven't been updated yet, so lacking cast info the infobox defaults to [[Genderless]]. Simply put amt all creatures are tagged as genderless, including the dwarves.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 07:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

:: Ah, I should have looked at the other pages. Thanks for clearing that up --[[User:Galach|Galach]] ([[User talk:Galach|talk]]) 08:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)