User talk:Lethosor

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Bot requests[edit]

Underpopulated categories[edit]

Many categories in the DF2014 namespace don't list some of the pages that have the category link. An empty edit on a page (well, any edit) will correct this, but only for that page. This sounds like a job for a bot. VengefulDonut (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's a cache problem, so I'll try rebuilding link tables on the server side and see if that helps (it would probably be a lot faster than sending a bot around to null-edit every page). —Lethosor (talk) 20:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
This has been fixed. The problem was that the server that actually runs the job queue was still using the old configuration (without the DF2014 namespace). —Lethosor (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


Take a look over here. VengefulDonut (talk) 15:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Ceramic Industry page assistance.[edit]

(Message here) --DorfyDave (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the help with the ceramic industry stuff.

I see what you are doing with the thumbnail workflows on other pages, so if you would rather it be small and let the reader expand it, that would be fine.

I was thinking that the pages looked better with the intro section before the regular content, keeping it separate from the auto TOC / Header listed content, but if you prefer that everything follow the layered header format, that's fine.

My primary concern was the wrapping caused by inserting the full-size flowchart next to a section. It looks like you've addressed that by splitting up the flowchart, which looks good to me. —Lethosor (talk) 15:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Removing/restoring Main:Fruit[edit]

Not that I am protesting it, but why exactly did you remove and then restore the Main:Fruit page? Because to me, all that happened now is that the creation entry on the page's history is gone, which isn't really anything notable either. --Latias1290 (talk) 13:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I deleted it at first because I didn't realize AutoRedirect wasn't handling section redirects properly, then restored it when I noticed it was broken. That article's history still shows your revision, so I'm not sure what you mean - is it missing from Special:RecentChanges? —Lethosor (talk) 13:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The creation entry I was talking about was actually the first entry, and the entry that is now the only one was the second before you removed it. When I created the page I first had it directly redirect to cv:Tree#Fruit, which after testing didn't work. I usually save the page when the preview doesn't show a red link and the link is correct, and after saving I test it, This time, however, the link in the preview was blue and correct, but actually following the redirect only led to cv:Tree instead of cv:Tree#Fruit. The entry you are seeing now is the result of fixing this by making it into a double redirect through cv:Fruit.
It looks to me like your first edit was to DF2014:Fruit - when Main:Fruit didn't exist, it would have automatically redirected to DF2014:Fruit, so it might have appeared to exist when it didn't. (The problem here is that I made AutoRedirect follow redirect chains internally, since Mediawiki's maximum-redirect setting is buggy, so a nonexistent Main:Fruit would actually redirect to what cv:Fruit redirects to - the problem is that it ignores sections at the moment, so section redirects will need to be manually created until I can fix that.) —Lethosor (talk) 13:18, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


I don't know where to put it because I don't have a github account and don't know if you have a personal thread for your scripts like the others, but couldn't you add a TEXT mode entry in line 116 of your settings-manager script? -- 04:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I originally excluded it because it only works on Linux, but I'll add it back for Linux users. Thanks! —Lethosor (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Interesting glitch with redirects[edit]

I went to see what "Candy" was by going to a page named "Candy", and I found out that it meant Adamantine. But I saw that I got redirected to v0.34:Adamantine, which shouldn't happen seeing as mainspace redirects should always go to the cv namespace. So I went back to fix it, and I saw that main:Candy redirected to main:Adamantine, so I went there to fix it. But that page redirected properly to DF2014:Adamantine. This is where it gets interesting.

So when you go to main:Candy, you get redirected to main:Adamantine which in turn redirects to DF2014:Adamantine. But - for some reason, you don't get sent to DF2014:Adamantine, but to v0.34:Adamantine. Going to main:Adamantine in the first place redirects you to DF2014:Adamantine properly.

I have no idea how this happens, and since you maintain most of the wiki, I think you would be the right person to tell this to. --Latias1290 (talk) 13:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

My best guess is that the Main:Candy redirect is cached and still points to v0.34:Adamantine. Our new policy is to keep redirects in versioned namespaces, so feel free to tag any broken redirects (in the main namespace) that you find with {{bad redirect}} and I'll delete them. —Lethosor (talk) 14:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
I just saw a redlink on the exploratory tunnels page(redlink to DF2014:Break) and went to create it, when I discovered that the pages for Break existed for 23a and 40d, but not for 34.11 and 40.x. I went to check those to import content, and they turned out to be redirects. So I just redirected DF2014:Break to DF2014:On break and when I went to create additional redirects in the mainspace, I found that main:Break redirects to main:On break which redirects to cv:On break. But, again, it ultimately did not redirect to cv:On break but to v0.34:Break. I think that if it is indeed a cache problem we should rebuild redirect caches. Latias1290 (talk)
PS: Or just batch-delete all of this kind of redirects. Latias1290 (talk)
I don't like "bumping" this message like this, but since it's rather annoying, and ten days have been since I told you, almost all of these redirects are broken. Take a look at main:Aluminium for example, it goes to its 34.11 page. I think that it goes like this; when a page in the mainspace redirects to another page in the mainspace, which in turn goes to a cv space page, it goes to 0.34 instead of the current version. Going to the main>cv redirect initially does not cause this glitch. Latias1290 (talk)
It would be helpful if you could add {{bad redirect}} to those pages (preferably before the "#REDIRECT" line) so I can delete them. I'm not sure what's causing the problem, but I'll see if I can override broken redirects with the AutoRedirect extension as well. —Lethosor (talk) 20:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Migrated citations[edit]

As seen on DF2014:Dragonfire, migrated citations can become confused, pointing to non-existent pages. I'm not sure how to fix it, but in general citations shouldn't automatically change what they are pointing at.--Loci (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

{{ArticleVersion}} bug[edit]

I just found another very strange bug regarding the articleversion template. The more research I did on it, the weirder it got. The bug is that when you are not logged in, and you visit a non-DF2014 page with an av template, the latest version shows as v0.40.16 instead of v0.40.18. Latias1290 (talk) PS: This bug does not replicate when you are logged in. Latias1290 (talk)

This is because pages are cached for logged-out users. You can refresh individual pages by adding "?action=purge" to the end of the URL (or possibly by null-editing them). It appears to occur in DF2014 pages as well - DF2014:Hemp, for example. —Lethosor (talk) 23:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Lost password request[edit]

I've forgotten my password. User: Bumber

You don't seem to have an email address associated with your account. I sent a message to Bumber on the forums, assuming that's you. —Lethosor (talk) 01:24, 30 April 2016 (UTC)



Thank you for the correction. I felt I might be doing it wrong but couldn't find an example of it done right to copy. Now I know. :) Volatar (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

v0.42.05 raws update[edit]

Just a friendly reminder that the wiki raws need updated to pick up the new critters in v0.42.05. It would also be nice if your bot could auto-create the new creature pages so we don't end up with back bear man and the like.--Loci (talk) 23:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Quietust updated the extension, but I'm having trouble deploying the changes for some reason (which Emily can hopefully figure out). I don't know if I'll have enough time this/next week to write a script to create the new creature pages - if not, Quietust might have something still laying around from 0.34/0.40. —Lethosor (talk) 17:45, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Page move reminder[edit]

DF2014:Box to DF2014:Container please. Brightgalrs (talk) 23:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Done. It took me a second to figure out what the issue was - I'm surprised Mediawiki wouldn't let you move a page over another one that was just a redirect. —Lethosor (talk) 00:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Brightgalrs (talk) 22:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

v0.43.05 raws update[edit]

Just a friendly reminder that the wiki raws need updated to pick up the changes through v0.43.05.--Loci (talk) 19:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. —Lethosor (talk) 01:43, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Multiple redirects leads to incorrect namespace[edit]

Discussion here: Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Centralized_Discussion#Solution_for_this Brightgalrs (talk) 10:49, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


We had an attack on August 3rd. Talk:Main Page (fix plz) ‎needs moved back to Talk:Main Page, and the rest of the vandal's handiwork can just be deleted. I can't think of any legitimate reason a user would need to move Talk:Main Page, so it should probably be move-locked to prevent future hijacks.--Loci (talk) 15:53, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

It should be cleaned up now. Sorry for the delay there. Main Page was already move-protected, but apparently that didn't apply to the talk page, so both should be move-protected now too. —Lethosor (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I need a password reset[edit]

I just logged in, saw the post about passwords needing to be changed. (Feeling all smart since I just setup a password manager) I updated my password, only to realize I didn't save the new password correctly in the manager. I tried to reset it but the wiki had a note saying to contact you since it can't do outbound email right now.

My user name is Frobnic8.

My most notable contribution here are the PDF versions of the old Bronzemurder illustration by Tim Denee: Bronzemurder

The files are still hosted at my website. To prove it's me, I've also left you a note at

Sorry for the hassle, but if you could set me a temporary password or send me a link to a password reset to the associated email address for the account, that'd be awesome.


-- 15:40, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Done —Lethosor (talk) 01:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! --Frobnic8 (talk) 02:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Password reset[edit]

I could have sworn I did this already, but now there's no sign of my edit here. Dunno what happened to it. Can I please get a password reset for user Urist McDorf. I believe the email info associated is still good (j*y@y*m). Thanks. 06:56, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Totally failed to make an account[edit]

Really think I did everything right.

The Captcha app you are using says it "shutdown" on 3-31-2018 so i'm wondering if that's the issue. unsigned comment by

Yeah, we know about it. Emi and Briess are working on some upgrades, and we'll try to upgrade the captcha once it's done. In the meantime, you can PM me on the forums (or email me at and I think I can set up an account for you. —Lethosor (talk) 13:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Chemist Page Quality Rating[edit]

The quality rating of the chemist page is listed as *Superior*, despite being a stub. I can't even decrease the quality down to +Fine+ using the rating script. I added the memory attribute as stated by Toady's recent FotF reply, and I'll insert the relevant topics for the skill, but there's probably a lot more work to be done. --Bumber (talk) 06:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

The "override" link worked for me. You have to click on the rating at the top that you want to select, then submit. The calculated score is unreliable, to say the least. —Lethosor (talk) 16:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
I couldn't figure out how the override worked and just assumed it was an admin thing. Didn't realize you had to click one of the quality options at the top. —Bumber (talk) 22:18, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

[Proposition] - Wiki preview popups[edit]

Hi there.

I've read quite a bit of wikipedia these last few days (the real wikipedia website), and I've come to use their preview feature quite a few times. In case you don't know, the preview is a little JS pop-up that shows an image and some text when you hover a link. So, you get a rough idea of what the thing is, and you don't have to load the full page (you can still if you click the link).

This feature is not in DF wiki, and I was thinking maybe it could be, as it greatly increase readability (since you don't have to open a new page, read the first few lines, go back, and waste time figuring out where you were; for every topic you're unaware of).

I'm not sure whether I should ask you, or Briess or anyone, but since you've made quite some wiki Extensions, I'll ask anyway.

So, do you think it could be a viable idea to turn this feature on ?

Here's a mediawiki tutorial on how to set this up, just in case : [1]

Cheers ! =D - Spriggans Aug, 17 2018

It does sound useful, but it claims to require MediaWiki 1.25+, so it'll probably have to wait until we finish upgrading. There are instructions for 1.24 or earlier in the article, though - I'm not sure how far back "or earlier" includes. The two extensions it depends on, TextExtracts and PageImages, require 1.23+ and 1.25+ respectively, so it's unlikely that it'll work on our current (pre-upgrade) setup.
(I am a good person to ask, by the way, and ~~~~ is probably a more convenient way to sign comments.) —Lethosor (talk) 15:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Aesthetically Pleasing Things[edit]

I know I posted this before but... do I have your permission to spice up some of the templates of tables? I could make some look better and "cleaner" than they do now. Also, are there any plans to change the default look of the wiki? I don't mean this in a nasty way, white with black text is pretty... generic. - Zippy (talk) 14:20, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


It looks like your bot is automatically welcoming editors. Unfortunately, due to the nature of rotating IP addresses, it appears your bot has welcomed one anonymous user 7 times in the last 5 days. Perhaps it would be best to restrict auto-welcoming to non-IP users?--Loci (talk) 21:55, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the AutoWelcomeUser extension (just set up to attribute edits to my bot). I definitely agree that it should be changed, and I'll look into it. Fun fact: this was enabled on the old wiki, but I had written it for a slightly newer Mediawiki version, so I had forgotten about it since it didn't actually work until we upgraded. —Lethosor (talk) 23:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I think this is fixed now. —Lethosor (talk) 00:57, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

On "Acceptable" Commas[edit]

Regarding this edit:

Per the Wikipedia Manual of Style (referenced as Rule S): "Where more than one style is acceptable under MoS, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason."

So, while that comma is indeed "acceptable" (or optional), editing to add that optional comma is not. I intentionally did not put a comma there when I added that sentence, and I believe my punctuational preference is at least as valid as ‎Silverwing235's.--Loci (talk) 23:12, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that comma is optional, but I didn't realize you had added that sentence (I thought it was part of the original quote from Toady before your changes, so I was mistakenly applying rule S there as well). Apologies, and it's your call as to what to do there. —Lethosor (talk) 23:21, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Embark points[edit]

There's no page explaining embark points in-depth; can I make such a page? Or at least add it to the embark page? -- Zippy (talk) 19:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

I'd add it to the embark page since I'm not sure it warrants a separate page unless it's a lot of detail (i.e. more than the current embark page). —Lethosor (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
With what I have planned, there's a ton of things I can go over which can fill a page. I can make a "workbench"/fake page and you can tell me if it's worthy or not. Also, is it possible to put things in "collapsable/expandable" tables to not badly stretch out pages? -- Zippy (talk) 04:14, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, one more thing. You know the "Urist likes [something] for their [something]."? Are these made up on the spot or is that info taken directly from somewhere? -- Zippy (talk) 04:59, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure how much detail you can go into about just embark points, but sure, feel free to make a test page if you like and I can provide some input. I wouldn't put things in collapsible tables just because of page length, because pretty much no other page does that (except for some things that aren't really part of the content of a page, like nav boxes and raws). If you're referring to things like "Urist likes [creature]" from pages like DF2014:Cat, those are generated from the raws. I'm not sure if that appears on any other types of pages. —Lethosor (talk) 20:30, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Creature font[edit]

Are you alright if I change the font of the letters in the creature list? Sorry to say this but that font is kinda ugly. -- Zippy (talk) 01:40, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Are you talking about DF2014:Creature or something else? I personally think that page looks fine, but what does it look like on your end? It might be some cross-browser issue that we can try to sort out. —Lethosor (talk) 01:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes I do mean that DF2014:Creature page. The font of the letters that resemble the creatures are this ugly "Times New Roman"-esque font that looks like an eyesore to me. It could be a much smoother looking font. -- Zippy (talk) 19:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I noticed the font looks ugly on Firefox and Edge but not in the Tor Browser. So yeah, there's a weird browser thing going on and I don't know how to fix things for specific browsers on wiki's... -- Zippy (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm guessing you don't have the "Century" font installed, or accessible in those browsers for some reason. For reference, here is what it looks like for me, definitely not Times. I'll see if it can be standardized. Does c look ok to you? —Lethosor (talk) 22:33, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
At some point in the possibly-recent past, those letters looked the same for me as it did you, but one day it just changed to the uglier font. Also, it's impossible to use the "Upload newer version of this file" function, as that always gives weird errors: Could not read or write file "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/6/6c/Biome_evil.png" due to insufficient permissions or missing directories/containers. I'm assuming I don't have access to do that? -- Zippy (talk) 03:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
I figured out the setting that controlled the font, it's the "Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of your selections above" choice, but turning this option off can spoil the fonts everywhere else on other sites. There's something about (my) Firefox that's not recognizing the Century font, even though I have it. -- Zippy (talk) 03:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, not sure it's worth working around browser settings. Does the c from above look ok to you or the same as the one on the creatures page? Also, that error is definitely not intentional; I'll look into it. —Lethosor (talk) 22:57, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
The C there looks alright. Creature tile lists on other pages look fine as it's using the "Tile" template, so maybe something's wrong with the template being used in the creature page. -- Zippy (talk) 12:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
It's a custom template being used for those tables that specifies the font itself. I changed the font to fall back to the ones that {{Tile}} uses. Does it look ok now? —Lethosor (talk) 21:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
It does not. But when I use a different computer, it's fine there (still on Firefox). Yeah, I can't figure this out. -- Zippy (talk) 07:54, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I've cleared the cache on the server side (I don't remember if I did that before). If that still doesn't help, maybe clearing your browser's cache would help? —Lethosor (talk) 18:29, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, I cleared 1GB worth of data, but that didn't fix the issue? -- Zippy (talk) 03:14, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


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Proposal to translate the Wiki into Spanish[edit]

Good I am an expert player in the game and I would like to translate the wiki to help the Spanish community in this great game. Should I translate it as I could?. Here's my email for the answer:

Just signal boosting on someone else's behalf...[edit]

...apparently a researcher with research on books got themselves locked out of the lab. Any support for this? --Silverwing235 (talk) 12:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Minor server-side issues...[edit]

1. Broken(404) HTML links here.

2. Creature variation needs to be added here. --Silverwing235 (talk) 11:09, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

These aren't server-side issues - they can be fixed by editing the pages. In the first case, the forums moved from to (I'm not sure when that happened, or if there used to be a redirect, but I would recommend {{cite forum}} to make them future-proof). The second issue you pointed out happens when creature variations don't follow the typical naming pattern, but you can override the variations that the templates display. See blue jay, bluejay man, and giant bluejay for examples, and feel free to let me know if you have any questions about those templates. —Lethosor (talk) 06:30, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Update: looks like there's also {{forum link}} if you prefer to keep the text that the links currently use (for #1). —Lethosor (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

can't login... user:garrieirons[edit]

yeah I tried all the things and posted on the forum.

any advice on how to get a password reset?

Sorry if you're not an admin.

Cheers, Garrie

Symptom: When I click the reset password link, and enter my user name (GarrieIrons) it tells me: A password reset email has already been sent, within the last 24 hours. To prevent abuse, only one password reset email will be sent per 24 hours.

Cheers again. G

Ok, so it sounds like you already requested a password reset - did you get an email? It should have come from (make sure it didn't get sent to your spam folder). If you don't have access to the email address you registered with anymore, I can try to reset it some other way. Also, where did you post on the forums? I didn't see anything from you on the wiki board. —Lethosor (talk) 01:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
To be clear, every password reset has resulted in the message above, but, no email. Can you tell me is it going to a hotmail, or a gmail address? If not, I'm stumped and I'll start a different account?
Also...ok I looked at threads I guess. I coulda sworn at some time in the past I asked about this on the forum but I'm not finding it (only the thread I thought I responded to).
OK I found a PM thread on the forum, from ages ago, referring me to you...but I'd never followed up... 🤦‍♂️
Looks like your username at - do you still have access to that? I just sent you a test email from the wiki, so let me know if that goes through. —Lethosor (talk) 04:24, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Weirdness ensues...[edit]

...Alright, maybe not, but then again... this page is fine in Search, but spews redlinkery when linked to as if Ebola-infected - very puzzling. ---Silverwing235 (talk) 21:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC) EDIT: And the mystery deepens, because apparently one has to be very specific about phrasing...downright incantational, order to get a clear result with this.

If you're in a versioned namespace (like DF2014), links will be within that namespace by default; otherwise, they will use the main namespace. Looks like a redirect was created in this case and both of those links seem to work now. —Lethosor (talk) 00:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Obok Meatgod[edit]

Hey Lethesor, thanks for all the work you do for DFhack. I have a favour to ask. I was using the "random page" feature and I stumbled upon this article. The article is about an adventure mode game from the Bay12 forums where some dude modded genitals into his game so he could [do some really vile stuff]. I don't mean to bug you about it, but I'm getting an internal error when I try to start a talk page on the article. Basically, can you delete this article? I'm all for some good shock humour, and I know DF stories can get pretty brutal, but this doesn't really seem like it's supposed to be funny. The forum page it links back to just reads like some edge-lord's fanfic power fantasy. Maybe I'm mistaken and this is relevant to DF, but if not, mind doing me a favour and just purging it from the wiki? -- 00:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC) Jon

I did a bit of research - given that it was deleted from Bay12 and DFFD, I think I'll follow suit and delete it from here too. (It's not permanent here - an admin could always get it back.) Thanks for bringing it to my attention. —Lethosor (talk) 01:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Lethesor! 17:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC) Jon

Regarding a certain subst tag:[edit]

(Stop me if I miss anything, please.)

IIRC, its a since-deprecated holdover of some kind of Wikipedian affiliation, that is pretty much purge-on-sight when found in art licensing around here. The important question is, how to proceed, if at all, when evidence is discovered of apparent holdouts of that sort further afield, outside the verified-for-deletion parameters? Silverwing235 (talk) 13:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I suggest MediaWiki's documentation for information on what subst does. It's not specifically something that came from Wikipedia. One caveat is that if the template being substituted didn't exist when the page was saved, the subst: won't get replaced until you save the page again. However, in this case, it looks like I removed the subst: part from where these templates were being used, so yes, on image pages, removing the "subst: prefix is fine.
From the search results you linked, a lot of the subst occurrences appear to be in HTML comments, so they won't get substituted when the page is saved. They also won't be displayed to readers, though. I suspect that's either stuff left over from version migrations or moving things to templates. I wouldn't put too much effort into dealing with those, unless you find something on a current-version page (in which case I'd say move things out of the comment if they're relevant or delete them if they're obsolete). —Lethosor (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)